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FAQ: Forging

Post by Hochsin on 2/1/2014, 17:45

Does someone still remember the effects of Forging? Which kinds of effects have the elements or "very strong". It used to be on the old forum which got deleted Very Happy I think fire had something to do with dmg and water something to do with matk/heal but idk anymore. It would be useful to have that Wink

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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by to3phu on 3/1/2014, 00:46

Water
- 40% converts to watk to mtak (should be same as book)
- Boost in healing stuff
- And IIRC a bit of regen

Fire
-15% wtak/matk
That's all I remember lol

Wind
-Some flee
-Increase attackspeed
-Lower cast time

Earth
-More mdef/def
and that's all I know from earth lol (I never use it before)
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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Hochsin on 3/1/2014, 13:56

I need it a little bit more specific but thanks anyway

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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Tsuzuki Silver on 3/1/2014, 19:30

I'm pretty sure you can check that with the guide NPCs in the mall entrance.

Other stuff I remember: wind increases movespeed, earth makes all your gear unbreakable. All elements increase your elemental resistance to the weapon's element, but decrease it against the weapon's weakness (cycle is Fire > Earth > Wind > Water > Fire).
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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by to3phu on 4/1/2014, 01:26

Hochsin wrote:I need it a little bit more specific but thanks anyway
oh found it! 

http://mouro.forumotion.cc/t58-info-about-forged-weapon

And I was pretty sure all forge weapons are unbreakable
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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Tsuzuki Silver on 4/1/2014, 03:36

I don't really know about that, but an earth weapon makes all your gear unbreakable, not just itself.
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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Skotlex on 4/1/2014, 04:42

Forging data is held by the npc Gwendolin Myers, in the skills section:

Code:

        mes "^008800Weapon Crafting^000000";
         mes "Forged weapons have multiple bonuses:";
         mes "- Weapon Atk +25% per each 'very'.";
         mes "- They are indestructible.";
         mes "- They have one slot (invisible).";
         mes "Elemental stones give the following bonuses:";
         mes "- +30% resist to their element";
         mes "- -15% resist to their weak element.";
         mes "- ^440000Fire^000000 (Power):";
         mes " +15% ATK";
         mes " +25% MATK";
         mes " +5% Hit";
         mes "- ^000044Water^000000 (Healing):";
         mes " Improves the Watk->Matk conversion rate by 30%.";
         mes " Recover 1000 Hp and 10 Sp per kill (increases with monster level).";
         mes " Increases Hp/Sp recovery speed by 25%.";
         mes " Max Hp/Sp +10%";
         mes " Power of Healing skills +20%";
         mes "- ^441000Earth^000000 (Defense):";
         mes " +10 def/mdef";
         mes " +10% def2/mdef2";
         mes " Protects all equipment from breaking";
         mes " +20% resist to Fire/ Wind/ Earth/ Water";
         mes "- ^004400Wind^000000 (Speed):";
         mes " +20% Damage with critical hits";
         mes " +15% Aspd/Walk speed";
         mes " -20% cast/delay times";
         mes " +10% flee.";

Hmm.... the earth element saying "protects from breaking" seems confusing because they are all supposed to be "unbreakable," I should check that. The code says that none of the crafted equipment can break. And it says that having an Earth crafted weapon protects ALL gears from breaking. O_O; Oh, now it makes sense.
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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Rogem on 9/1/2014, 16:55

Anyone care to forge me a Very Very Strong Water Damascus? Very Happy


For Ninjas:
30%+55% = 85% WATK -> MATK


Two possibilities here:
MATK bonus:
1) 85% (above) * (105% (Base WATK) * 150% (from +25%*2 WATK) + Refine (assume +10) * 6%) = +184.875% ~= +185%
-- OR --
2) 150% (from +25%*2 WATK) * 85% (above) * (105% (Base WATK) + Refine (assume +10) * 6%) = +210.375% ~= +210%


Compare with my current Asura:
55% * (50% + 4% * 12) = +53.9%
1) is a 243% increase.
2) is a 289% increase.

And that's with Gladius.

Skot, if this is what happens, please don't fix. My ninja's so gonna cast 3k damage Lv. 1 Kouenkas.


Tempted to get an earth one, too :/

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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Hochsin on 9/1/2014, 20:47

Well, if you meet me in-game then why not? Very Happy I may make you all four as well.

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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Rogem on 10/1/2014, 18:22

Well, that's probably going to have to wait for a *while*. I'm going on another trip to US next Thursday. Taking the same flight as my gf who's going back home, heh.

I'll see if you're online now, though.

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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Tsuzuki Silver on 1/2/2014, 20:06

Rogem, your numbers are off.

Today I decided to figure out how much a water-forged dagger helps with spellcasting. I've been using one on my ninja for a while, but just now have I actually looked at the numbers.

To begin with, and this is actually on topic, it seems that there are multiple degrees of success on forging. My +12 Very Very Strong Water Damascus has 207 WATK, meaning it has 29 more WATK than its description would suggest. That might seem high, but it's actually quite low when you consider that star crumbs are supposed to give +25% WATK each, which essentially means that my smith sucks. More testing would be required to understand the principles behind forging... or I suppose we could just ask Skot about it. (On that topic, how does the blacksmith ranking affect forging/forged weapons?)

So I decided to test the formula on my Ninja. At the time of this writing, I'm level 91/89, with 87 INT and 91 DEX. With nothing equipped, I have 338 max MATK, regardless of Nen. I'd like to note I have 11 WATK from stats; the fact that Nen makes no difference confirms that WATK from stats is irrelevant.

As noted before, my dagger has 207 WATK. When I equip it, my max MATK rises to 526. Not bad for such a low level character. Now here's the interesting part. With Nen on, my max MATK shoots up to an impressive 714, rivaling my level 116 High Wizard (sitting at 720). This confirms that Nen does indeed add 50% MATK conversion, as written in the Mall NPCs, as opposed to the (most likely once correct, now outdated) 35% specified in the main site.

It gets better, though. Equipping my +9 Double Inferno Death Loop bumps my MATK slightly up, to 718. Which means, it's not just the weapon's WATK that matters as Skot says, but rather the sum of all your gear's WATK.

On a somewhat unrelated topic, putting all my gear on makes my max MATK drop to 674 because I use some cast time reduction gear, which is kinda sad. Oh well.

EDIT: I forgot to note that yes, Ninjas do indeed get 100% MATK conversion. (20% base + 30% from Mystic Frozen + 50% from Nen)
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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Lothar Axe on 1/2/2014, 20:53

... wasn't Fire the MATK Element for forged weapons? I thought Water was for Regen.

Actually forget what I said.
Anyway, is it worse with Fire?
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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Tsuzuki Silver on 6/2/2014, 22:27

Sorry for the wait Lothar, I'm kinda bad when it comes to answering in a timely manner.

I don't have a Fire weapon to test with. I'm also too lazy to go crunch numbers again. My (somewhat) educated guess is that Water weapons are superior in lower levels, whereas Fire weapons become progressively stronger as your INT goes up. Of course, this is disregarding the other relevant bonuses from the Water weapons such as the healing boost and the HP/SP drain on each kill, which help you keep going.
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Re: FAQ: Forging

Post by Rogem on 11/2/2014, 13:45

So, let's look at the math.

The calculation for MATK is: bMATK * ( 1 + [INT + RATE*WATK]/100 ) * ( 1 + %BONUS ). bMATK means base MATK, which is a flat amount calculated using this formula: ( 10 + base lv + INT / 2 + job lv / 4 + DEX / 6 ). As the bMATK is not affected by WATK or %BONUS, we'll consider it to be a static value in our calculations. Other static values are INT and WATK. For the purposes of this calculation, we'll use values 120 and 207, respectively. (WATK provided by Tsuzuki, above)


As such, we'll get: bMATK * ( 1 + [120 + RATE*207]/100 ) * ( 1 + %BONUS). RATE is the WATK -> MATK bonus conversion rate. Taking ninjas as the example again, the base RATE is 70%. Improved with the water element, we get up to a 100% bonus. Here's what we'll get:
bMATK * ( 1 + [120 + 207]/100) = bMATK * ( 1 + 327/100) = 4.27 * bMATK = 427% bMATK when using Water.


And, the other one:
bMATK * ( 1 + [120 + 70%*207]/100 ) * ( 1 + 25%) = bMATK * ( 1 + 264.9/100 ) * 1.25 = 3.649 * 1.25 * bMATK = 456% bMATK when using Fire.


This means that Fire actually gives about 7% more damage output. However, this is such a minimal difference that I much rather take the additional survivability provided by Water, especially considering the nature of PvE on Mou. For PvP, however, I'd recommend swapping to either Fire or Earth, based on your personal opinion.

This goes for almost all cases. However, it might prove more beneficial with books. Too sick/lazy to do the math right now.

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